um.. ok so all you can drink kareoke places are awsome... predrinking before and drinking after are not. I only spent 20 bucks last night (free drinking due to newness is cool) so that was cool... but this morning at training sucked. its now 6 pm and i still hurt. I'm expected to go to the schools welcome party they are having for me and its expected that i will drink with my managers... this is going to be a long night and i'd rather be in bed..lol. meh, atleast i have 2 days off after this.
Thinking about you makes me dizzy because all i have are my memories...
Saturday, December 09, 2006
Thursday, December 07, 2006
I taught my first lesson yesterday. This week is training week and has us teaching lessons wed, Thursday and Friday with real students. (They come in after our training to have us try a lesson on them while our trainers sit in the back to observe us.) I finish my training on Saturday and then on Tues I observe at my new school and start teaching full time on wed. Wish me luck! I’m scared.
This weekend we’ll be celebrating my arrival. Fri night is kareoke night and sat night we there is a welcoming party. At the party everything is free and I’ve been told I need to try and out drink my seniors... its going to be a rough weekend...
This weekend we’ll be celebrating my arrival. Fri night is kareoke night and sat night we there is a welcoming party. At the party everything is free and I’ve been told I need to try and out drink my seniors... its going to be a rough weekend...
Monday, December 04, 2006
i made it..
So i'm settled (kinda) in okayama and i'm here to stay.
I arrived a couple days ago and its been pretty insane. When i finally got to my appartment after a 11 hour flight some of my new co- workers stoped bye which extended my day to roughly 30 hours. It was awsome to get such a warm welcome but the next morning of training sucked. Saturday night was awsome though. Me and my training partner were left to our own devices and ended up stumbling on a regae bar after 90 min of wandering downtown okayama. The place was a senses explosion that made me happy to be here. It was a small dark poorly lit room with rageee pariphinalia everywhere, good mucic, and chill locals.
A japanese man with dreads is always cool.
note: when you pay for a shot you actually get the equivilant of a few shots because they don't meassure and they don't care. A few of them was definetly enough for me to feel smiley. After our budgets were spent we decided to we were going to call it.. but then all of a sudden there was a piece of cheese in frunt of us. It seems that the couple to our right had placed it in frunt of us. Then a second piece came and this time the girl of the couple introduced her and her friend. Next thing we know, the four of us are laughing and telling stories and girl's date is buying everyone drink after drink. When the bar begins to close the couple insists on us joing them at another bar whtta serves beer till dawn and soon we are on the dance floor and the beer keeps flowing...
Ive been since told that this happens alot when business people make friends with forigners in small groups. I'm not sure if my liver will make it... though my wallet liked it, i only spent 20 bucks the entire night and i made several new friends. Though ive been told they will probably not accept it, i'm going to try and buy them drinks next time to pay them back.
Sunday was sightseeing, grocery, and studying day but i didn't get half as much done as I wanted too. I think i'm mstill really jetlaged
Right now its monday and I jsut finished a LONG day of training. Im so nervous because i'm supposed to give my first lesson on wed. um.. i'm screwed...lol
actually, i'm doing pretty well. I mean its hard to remember everything and by the end of the day there is very little retention, but from the feedback i'm getting i think i should not screw this up too too much.
In general i'm having an amazing time. Cultural differences take some getting use too, I sometimes feel like i'm living in a japanimie world (SERIOUSLY), and i mean i REALLY need to learn Japanese... but all in all this is going to be an awsome year and a bit.
Anyway, I feel like i'm writing like a 2 year old and not giving the details i'd like since i'm so freaking tired. i'll try to have better updates in the future.
ps:
good news: I don't have to pay rent till the old teacher moves out on the 17th
bad news: I won't have regular internet access until I get to move it.. so um.. bear with me.
Till next time...
I arrived a couple days ago and its been pretty insane. When i finally got to my appartment after a 11 hour flight some of my new co- workers stoped bye which extended my day to roughly 30 hours. It was awsome to get such a warm welcome but the next morning of training sucked. Saturday night was awsome though. Me and my training partner were left to our own devices and ended up stumbling on a regae bar after 90 min of wandering downtown okayama. The place was a senses explosion that made me happy to be here. It was a small dark poorly lit room with rageee pariphinalia everywhere, good mucic, and chill locals.
A japanese man with dreads is always cool.
note: when you pay for a shot you actually get the equivilant of a few shots because they don't meassure and they don't care. A few of them was definetly enough for me to feel smiley. After our budgets were spent we decided to we were going to call it.. but then all of a sudden there was a piece of cheese in frunt of us. It seems that the couple to our right had placed it in frunt of us. Then a second piece came and this time the girl of the couple introduced her and her friend. Next thing we know, the four of us are laughing and telling stories and girl's date is buying everyone drink after drink. When the bar begins to close the couple insists on us joing them at another bar whtta serves beer till dawn and soon we are on the dance floor and the beer keeps flowing...
Ive been since told that this happens alot when business people make friends with forigners in small groups. I'm not sure if my liver will make it... though my wallet liked it, i only spent 20 bucks the entire night and i made several new friends. Though ive been told they will probably not accept it, i'm going to try and buy them drinks next time to pay them back.
Sunday was sightseeing, grocery, and studying day but i didn't get half as much done as I wanted too. I think i'm mstill really jetlaged
Right now its monday and I jsut finished a LONG day of training. Im so nervous because i'm supposed to give my first lesson on wed. um.. i'm screwed...lol
actually, i'm doing pretty well. I mean its hard to remember everything and by the end of the day there is very little retention, but from the feedback i'm getting i think i should not screw this up too too much.
In general i'm having an amazing time. Cultural differences take some getting use too, I sometimes feel like i'm living in a japanimie world (SERIOUSLY), and i mean i REALLY need to learn Japanese... but all in all this is going to be an awsome year and a bit.
Anyway, I feel like i'm writing like a 2 year old and not giving the details i'd like since i'm so freaking tired. i'll try to have better updates in the future.
ps:
good news: I don't have to pay rent till the old teacher moves out on the 17th
bad news: I won't have regular internet access until I get to move it.. so um.. bear with me.
Till next time...
Wednesday, November 29, 2006
"We have lived together in a dream up to now. When we awake will we find each other still?"
I scame around the bed and stood near to her. I worshipped her closeness. I said,
"Well, we must hold hands tightly and hope that we can keep hold of each other through the dream and out into the waking world. "
As she still would not speak I said,
"could we be happy?"
She said,
This has nothing to do with happiness, nothing whatever"
That was true. I took in the promise of her words. I aid
"I wonder if I shall survive it"
She said smiling splendidly,
"You must take your chance!"
I gave her back the bright light of the smaile, now softening at last out of irony.
"So must you, my dear!"
I scame around the bed and stood near to her. I worshipped her closeness. I said,
"Well, we must hold hands tightly and hope that we can keep hold of each other through the dream and out into the waking world. "
As she still would not speak I said,
"could we be happy?"
She said,
This has nothing to do with happiness, nothing whatever"
That was true. I took in the promise of her words. I aid
"I wonder if I shall survive it"
She said smiling splendidly,
"You must take your chance!"
I gave her back the bright light of the smaile, now softening at last out of irony.
"So must you, my dear!"
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
Saturday, November 25, 2006
crazy
I'm in vancouver now.
Or rather, i'm in Nannimo and a little drunk.
But i'm missing toronto.
Or rather, i'm missing a girl. Though i know i would have fucked it up if I had stayed. the memories created will be worth a lifetime. I was happiest as of late when i was with her.
The first day of the rest of our lives.. and I miss you already.
Everything sucks when your gone...
Maybe i'll be lucky and see you shortly.
anyway, i'll be on the island till monday seeing old friends and then trying to make some money on the island this week till i fly out on thursday. Then its the scary world of "real life" and "real jobs" um.. o crap.
Or rather, i'm in Nannimo and a little drunk.
But i'm missing toronto.
Or rather, i'm missing a girl. Though i know i would have fucked it up if I had stayed. the memories created will be worth a lifetime. I was happiest as of late when i was with her.
The first day of the rest of our lives.. and I miss you already.
Everything sucks when your gone...
Maybe i'll be lucky and see you shortly.
anyway, i'll be on the island till monday seeing old friends and then trying to make some money on the island this week till i fly out on thursday. Then its the scary world of "real life" and "real jobs" um.. o crap.
Tuesday, November 21, 2006
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I leave toronto today. I'm sorry to everyone who i should have said goodbye to but didn't. I will miss everyone i have come to call friends here.
I will also miss you. You who held me so tight. I think that I will miss you more then most, though we only lived for but a moment. It's funny how things work out.
Tomorrow will be the goodbyes in Cornwall... then I fly away.
A new chapter.. a new note.
I'm worried that I will fail, I'm worried I will fall.
I'm worried that I will loose... it all.
But this is the ultimate test of metal and I am not a child any more.
I will also miss you. You who held me so tight. I think that I will miss you more then most, though we only lived for but a moment. It's funny how things work out.
Tomorrow will be the goodbyes in Cornwall... then I fly away.
A new chapter.. a new note.
I'm worried that I will fail, I'm worried I will fall.
I'm worried that I will loose... it all.
But this is the ultimate test of metal and I am not a child any more.
Monday, November 20, 2006
Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Well, it's almsot time for me to leave. My 25th birthday has come and gone and now i'm busy trying to make some quick cash and packing for Japan. I fly to Vancouver next thursday to spend time with some old friends and to make some money before Flying to Osaka on the 30th. To tell you the truth, this has been comming so long i'm alomst in shell chock that its finally almost here. I'm leaving behind friends, family, and a pretty amazing girl that ive been dating for the past little while. What lies ahead is a new country, a new home, a new job that is my first real job, and the realization that I can no longer claim to be a student. Well, atleast for now. IF the stars aline and things go the way i'd like, i'll be in grad school in fall of 2008... all i can do is hpe and pray for that one.. but who really knows who i'll be when i come back... or where i'll be going.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Friday, November 03, 2006
Just a quick update. I Turn 25 in 9 days and leave move to Japan in about 3 weeks!!
Lastly: Since I'm finally getting a realjob i guess i'l have to stopbeing a beger.. so to end it all.. i'm starting a tattoo fund. I ave 3 weeks to raise enought o get my first tattoo before I moe to Japan.. anyone interested in donating?
Lastly: Since I'm finally getting a realjob i guess i'l have to stopbeing a beger.. so to end it all.. i'm starting a tattoo fund. I ave 3 weeks to raise enought o get my first tattoo before I moe to Japan.. anyone interested in donating?
Monday, October 23, 2006
This will be hard to follow. Its one side of a conversation i have been having...
My point is, instead of scratching out heads we should seek to understand. the atheist is not an idiot, not is he insane. He holds a false presuposition that logically leads somewhere. We care called to compassion right? it is my thiinking that full compassion can only come through attempting to understand. maybe i'm wrong... but the sadness is not that they are idiots, or that they believe in foolish conclusions.. but that their brains do work.. that God has given them the ability to see the conclusions of their starting points.. that if I was in their shoes I would probably follow a simular line of thought, and that we by nature, are just as likely to be blind. The sadness is that if our faith is justified then it is happy circomstance or by devine luck that I have had my eyes cleared and they have not. The saddness is that I am no more special the hitler, no more worthy of the bennifits of faith then nitzche... at the end of the day, the great tragedy is that It was i that had my eyes cleared to see the truth and not a million others... that if men who have done evil had at first seen the truth and been alowed the clearity to seek to understand then things might be better. The tragedy is that my salvation is absurd. The tragedy is that instead of crying and morning for them.. we scratch our heads and laugh. We judge and condemn. That is our greatest evil.
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I think it is given that we should not be so prideful as to distain people for believing foolish things since we too believe in something foolish to others. What I was getting at had to do with the thing we seem to be taking for granted. There are 2 types of people in this church. Those born into the world of our presupposition... and those who have some to it later. Had we had a different upbringing, or had different experiences, it is quite possible that we would be on the other side of this argument. I am coming to realize the shame of my salvation that comes hand in hand with the bliss of thankfulness. That this foolishness I believe is not to my merit at all but to my happenstance. It is absurd that I have some to light and they have not, and since we collectively create the happenstance of others... it is universal I, not God, who comes to blame for the persistence of the contrary happenstance that lands the masses to very different logical conclusions. Every step I take is a disaster to another persons soul. That I cannot learn to tread more lightly... that I do not live of virtue but instead try to force faith on others (and thereby destroy them).. that if I or anyone truly believed in God every second would be consumed by light... That I judge when I have no merit.. since my salvation is not of my doing... since I despite everything It is I more then them that should be on the cutting block. I think my point here is that I am more to blame in my correctness then in their foolishness. it is because of the light that I find myself in that I deserve hell and they do not. How can someone without a lightbulb who lives in eternal light ever be punishable for never turning on the light? How can I who have been given the lightbulb from the beginning, the instructions, and a guiding hand to the switch, be able to get away with throwing the lighbulb to the ground with everything that I do?It goes beyond not distaining. All logic can do is say "based on your starting point the logical end is this" all I can do is point out the logical inconsistencies.. The starting point is beyond logic since to start is to assume it. the heart of the matter is rather the distain that we should have for ourselves. Instead of giving ourselves hugs and warm fuzzies we should be learning to carry our distain that we might champion it.. that we might transcend it. we even get a helper to carry this cross. For Christ carries it for us daily. And as I get the free ride... those in darkness are under my feet and I am their executioner.
It is funny that it may be I that truly is the evil man.
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you can only "show" thew atheist to be inerror by appealing to your own presuposition. You cannot prove God's existence without assuming it...you cannot disprove it without assuming its defeat as well. I have never come accross a proof for or against that holds any ground. Each arguement must assume its conclusion... or atleast more then it ligitimatly can...to get off the ground. Don't misunderstand me here. Logic in its purity can lead you to a logical end. But it cannot poduce the world. The very basis of placing a presuppotion to the test of reason is that in regards to this presupposition (the existence or non existence of God) once brings into question the very nature of existence. To as the question is to bring all things into existant into question.. including logic. (see the arguements from Pragmatism) Thus, to use reason to prove or disprove the existence of God can only be rhetorical in nature.
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What I believe is not foolishness to me. In fact, what I believe is the quasi-logical outcome (from my point of view) of my presuppositions. But, what I believe IS foolishness to the atheist who has the different presuppositions. If God does not exist, then the resurrection never happened. If he does, add in our other presuppositions.. And you get the resurrection.
Thus, I can only believe in God because my experience dictates that he exists... That based on the logic within my experience... of the trust in my senses and that I have a working mind, etc. So in the end, what I am saying is that trying to “prove” that god exists or not can be reduced to ego stoking, fallacies, and power games. The only use that “proofs for God” have are the increase of our ability to think critically, and the fact that many people do seem to get saved even through bad arguments. On the other hand, do not accuse me on anti-intellectualism. Once one’s starting point has been set, logic is the tool to show what follows. Logic possibly then, in the realm of God, is on the one side about debunking myth, bad theology, and bad reasoning and on the other side trying to seek God more and to find out based on what we know, where it logically leads.
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If someone said that my mom didn’t love me not only would I have all my expereiencial evidence... I could prove it. (Well to the degree of accuracy depending on our level of sophistication in lie detectors) on the other hand I have expereiencial evidence for the existence of God.. The atheist has the same for the denial of that fact. In this case we have to wait for death to have it proven one way or another. I will copy many great man of faith and say that there is nothing that places us at a better advantage then the atheist except that we jump off the bridge willingly... hoping to be caught.. But not having proof that we will and knowing that it is logically possible that we fall to our doom. That my friend is faith. It is not an easy thing... but, it is a wager we take because the reward is great. IF we are right, and we live in faith in that truth.. Then we have the reward of a loving God with all that implies. If we are wrong then nothing is lost since there is no meaning to life then what we give it.. Since a life of faith is a life of love, charity, and hope.. Then, so long as we pursue these things not out of duty but out of want.. Then we still win. We cannot discredit the atheist for his foolishness.. Because remember, to him and his starting point... we are foolish. If having a foolish idea is enough to have it discredited then you are in the wrong religion my friend... for the bible tells us that our faith is foolishness. Returning to the use of the metaphor. Let us turn it on its head. What use does discrediting the atheist if he is being logical based on his assumptions if you cannot prove that God exists? People don’t get saved by logic...in fact people don’t even change their minds about anything based on logic. If people were logical we would not have the world issues we have. People are not irrational either, but use reason, emotion, etc to achieve desired ends. We desire heaven... we desire to experience Gods love. As such we use the tools we have to seek that end... but in the end the initial belief in God is irrational because it transcends it. If God exists then Salvation occurs through the souls sensitivity to the truth... or maybe by the emotional connection to it.. Or maybe a rational exploitation of the irrational moment. So what good does doubting do us? It works for us and against us. We must seek God like children in trust... but as we jump off the bridge by ourselves (for real faith is not a mass action but an individual one) it is important that we are honest about the falling, the ground at the bottom, and the possibility of a sudden stop. Doubt can he disastrous... or it can be healthy. But if it leads you astray then it comes to be asked whether you realized the reality of the situation when you jumped form the bridge in the first place... Faith my friend, is the biggest of gambles.
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There are a few problems inherent in understanding where I’m coming from... The first being “post modern” arguments have been overdone and because I take 1 or 2 steps with the post mod kids it is usually felt that I must on the same page with them.. Or at least on similar ground. This I think has been this issue with a lot of the conversations I have had on this board. I’m going to have to get better at clarity or I’m afraid this will continually haunt me. A second problem which is also related to clarity.. I thought I did infact answer each question that was posed to me.. Though maybe not to your satisfaction. This too maybe will be helped with I learn to de-clog my thoughts. I agree that you and I are in agreement on many issues and it is just some of the details (albeit, important ones) that we disagree. In general the rest is just misunderstanding. Lets start out with our discussion of foolishness. I think you misunderstood where I was going with that. I think we wee on the same page mostly. I did not mean to imply that we should think our own views as foolishness. Rather, keeping in mind from what reference this conversation started (the shaking our heads at the website) I was saying that our views of the website are based on the belief in their foolishness and not in their logic. My premise here was that the atheist is not an idiot and should not be laughed at. Since the “foolishness” of their ideas is a given to us because of our starting point then it is almost stupid to point our that their end points are also foolishness to us.. As points of laughter. Rather, if we are to discuss them at all they must be understood in their own right. They should be understood in light of their own starting points. You are right though in understanding me in saying that neither argument is “better” and that I have no more “reason” to believe then not believe in the objective sense. I disagree with you when you state (kinda) that I can line up the atheist starting point and its logical end and the Christian starting point and logical end and say that we have the better argument without assuming that we are right to begin with. If this was true then we could save people merely by writing down the argument and showing them. You might say here.. Well they could still choose not to agree. Here is where your tree argument erks me. Assuming that the person is in the same mental state as you, that they are not brainwashed, are in their full capacity, etc, then your “better” argument comes from your ability to make them touch the tree.. I could bind their eyes open and make them look at the tree.. And attach that lie detector to them to see if they actually see the tree. (Of course it could still “not exist” but I would have a better argument as you say...The proofs for the existence of God don’t work that way. Not only is there no way to prove it one way or another.. (as you agree) but there is no way to make one a better argument then the other. My issue with your view is that you claim the atheist to hold an irrational belief.. My point I have repeated many times is that since neither starting point can be shown to be better in a logical sense without assuming their conclusion. (Theism is the better argument because I find the arguments more convincing based on my own experience with what I hope is the Devine.)the rationality of the theist and atheist position can only be weighed on in their own right.. So where does this lead me? The next question you seem to ask is then if I cannot show that it is objectively better to believe then not to believe then why believe? I have tried to give you my reasons. They are not post modern. I am Not saying that they have their truth and I have mine. In the end only one thing will end up as true. I am saying that A. To use our starting points to judge the reason of an argument that does not agree with our starting point is bad reasoning and moreover doesn’t save people. (Though of course God could use it) B. That because, without assuming the conclusion neither argument for the existence of, or against, is logically better, the first moment of faith is an irrational one. I agree with people wiser then me who have spoken of faith that seeks understanding. For the initial leap into faith is not done based on reason but rather based on reason’s calculation of past experience combined with the irrational assent to something that the heart feels. C. In the end I do agree that in actuality we are right and that if we could span out time and space we could prove it by showing the resurrection. But sine we can, all we have is our faith.. And the reasoning that it springs. As such all we have is interpretation of events which we cannot return to and hope that we are right. Since all is interpretation and the past is dead in the end the irrational leap is the only edge we have. The last question you raise has to do with how this kind of talk helps my faith. “ I don’t see what doubting that the Resurrection of Christ, for instance, does for me, simply because there are atheists out there who believe that this did not happen.”I must tread lightly here... doubt is not for everyone.. As I have said. In fact logic, is not for everyone either, and of course some can handle nothing but logic. I mentioned in the last post that doubt can be detrimental to some and to others essential. All I can talk about is my own walk. I know that for me, I do not carry doubt because of what the atheist thinks. I carry doubt because I wish be honest with myself. To be humble in my walk as much as I can. To realize that in all things I can be wrong. To realize that if I am right then all the anguish which I posited earlier on in this conversation see the rumblings in the first couple of posts.)is our real, unmakeuped existence.
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I think it is given that we should not be so prideful as to distain people for believing foolish things since we too believe in something foolish to others. What I was getting at had to do with the thing we seem to be taking for granted. There are 2 types of people in this church. Those born into the world of our presupposition... and those who have some to it later. Had we had a different upbringing, or had different experiences, it is quite possible that we would be on the other side of this argument. I am coming to realize the shame of my salvation that comes hand in hand with the bliss of thankfulness. That this foolishness I believe is not to my merit at all but to my happenstance. It is absurd that I have some to light and they have not, and since we collectively create the happenstance of others... it is universal I, not God, who comes to blame for the persistence of the contrary happenstance that lands the masses to very different logical conclusions. Every step I take is a disaster to another persons soul. That I cannot learn to tread more lightly... that I do not live of virtue but instead try to force faith on others (and thereby destroy them).. that if I or anyone truly believed in God every second would be consumed by light... That I judge when I have no merit.. since my salvation is not of my doing... since I despite everything It is I more then them that should be on the cutting block. I think my point here is that I am more to blame in my correctness then in their foolishness. it is because of the light that I find myself in that I deserve hell and they do not. How can someone without a lightbulb who lives in eternal light ever be punishable for never turning on the light? How can I who have been given the lightbulb from the beginning, the instructions, and a guiding hand to the switch, be able to get away with throwing the lighbulb to the ground with everything that I do?It goes beyond not distaining. All logic can do is say "based on your starting point the logical end is this" all I can do is point out the logical inconsistencies.. The starting point is beyond logic since to start is to assume it. the heart of the matter is rather the distain that we should have for ourselves. Instead of giving ourselves hugs and warm fuzzies we should be learning to carry our distain that we might champion it.. that we might transcend it. we even get a helper to carry this cross. For Christ carries it for us daily. And as I get the free ride... those in darkness are under my feet and I am their executioner.
It is funny that it may be I that truly is the evil man.
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you can only "show" thew atheist to be inerror by appealing to your own presuposition. You cannot prove God's existence without assuming it...you cannot disprove it without assuming its defeat as well. I have never come accross a proof for or against that holds any ground. Each arguement must assume its conclusion... or atleast more then it ligitimatly can...to get off the ground. Don't misunderstand me here. Logic in its purity can lead you to a logical end. But it cannot poduce the world. The very basis of placing a presuppotion to the test of reason is that in regards to this presupposition (the existence or non existence of God) once brings into question the very nature of existence. To as the question is to bring all things into existant into question.. including logic. (see the arguements from Pragmatism) Thus, to use reason to prove or disprove the existence of God can only be rhetorical in nature.
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What I believe is not foolishness to me. In fact, what I believe is the quasi-logical outcome (from my point of view) of my presuppositions. But, what I believe IS foolishness to the atheist who has the different presuppositions. If God does not exist, then the resurrection never happened. If he does, add in our other presuppositions.. And you get the resurrection.
Thus, I can only believe in God because my experience dictates that he exists... That based on the logic within my experience... of the trust in my senses and that I have a working mind, etc. So in the end, what I am saying is that trying to “prove” that god exists or not can be reduced to ego stoking, fallacies, and power games. The only use that “proofs for God” have are the increase of our ability to think critically, and the fact that many people do seem to get saved even through bad arguments. On the other hand, do not accuse me on anti-intellectualism. Once one’s starting point has been set, logic is the tool to show what follows. Logic possibly then, in the realm of God, is on the one side about debunking myth, bad theology, and bad reasoning and on the other side trying to seek God more and to find out based on what we know, where it logically leads.
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If someone said that my mom didn’t love me not only would I have all my expereiencial evidence... I could prove it. (Well to the degree of accuracy depending on our level of sophistication in lie detectors) on the other hand I have expereiencial evidence for the existence of God.. The atheist has the same for the denial of that fact. In this case we have to wait for death to have it proven one way or another. I will copy many great man of faith and say that there is nothing that places us at a better advantage then the atheist except that we jump off the bridge willingly... hoping to be caught.. But not having proof that we will and knowing that it is logically possible that we fall to our doom. That my friend is faith. It is not an easy thing... but, it is a wager we take because the reward is great. IF we are right, and we live in faith in that truth.. Then we have the reward of a loving God with all that implies. If we are wrong then nothing is lost since there is no meaning to life then what we give it.. Since a life of faith is a life of love, charity, and hope.. Then, so long as we pursue these things not out of duty but out of want.. Then we still win. We cannot discredit the atheist for his foolishness.. Because remember, to him and his starting point... we are foolish. If having a foolish idea is enough to have it discredited then you are in the wrong religion my friend... for the bible tells us that our faith is foolishness. Returning to the use of the metaphor. Let us turn it on its head. What use does discrediting the atheist if he is being logical based on his assumptions if you cannot prove that God exists? People don’t get saved by logic...in fact people don’t even change their minds about anything based on logic. If people were logical we would not have the world issues we have. People are not irrational either, but use reason, emotion, etc to achieve desired ends. We desire heaven... we desire to experience Gods love. As such we use the tools we have to seek that end... but in the end the initial belief in God is irrational because it transcends it. If God exists then Salvation occurs through the souls sensitivity to the truth... or maybe by the emotional connection to it.. Or maybe a rational exploitation of the irrational moment. So what good does doubting do us? It works for us and against us. We must seek God like children in trust... but as we jump off the bridge by ourselves (for real faith is not a mass action but an individual one) it is important that we are honest about the falling, the ground at the bottom, and the possibility of a sudden stop. Doubt can he disastrous... or it can be healthy. But if it leads you astray then it comes to be asked whether you realized the reality of the situation when you jumped form the bridge in the first place... Faith my friend, is the biggest of gambles.
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There are a few problems inherent in understanding where I’m coming from... The first being “post modern” arguments have been overdone and because I take 1 or 2 steps with the post mod kids it is usually felt that I must on the same page with them.. Or at least on similar ground. This I think has been this issue with a lot of the conversations I have had on this board. I’m going to have to get better at clarity or I’m afraid this will continually haunt me. A second problem which is also related to clarity.. I thought I did infact answer each question that was posed to me.. Though maybe not to your satisfaction. This too maybe will be helped with I learn to de-clog my thoughts. I agree that you and I are in agreement on many issues and it is just some of the details (albeit, important ones) that we disagree. In general the rest is just misunderstanding. Lets start out with our discussion of foolishness. I think you misunderstood where I was going with that. I think we wee on the same page mostly. I did not mean to imply that we should think our own views as foolishness. Rather, keeping in mind from what reference this conversation started (the shaking our heads at the website) I was saying that our views of the website are based on the belief in their foolishness and not in their logic. My premise here was that the atheist is not an idiot and should not be laughed at. Since the “foolishness” of their ideas is a given to us because of our starting point then it is almost stupid to point our that their end points are also foolishness to us.. As points of laughter. Rather, if we are to discuss them at all they must be understood in their own right. They should be understood in light of their own starting points. You are right though in understanding me in saying that neither argument is “better” and that I have no more “reason” to believe then not believe in the objective sense. I disagree with you when you state (kinda) that I can line up the atheist starting point and its logical end and the Christian starting point and logical end and say that we have the better argument without assuming that we are right to begin with. If this was true then we could save people merely by writing down the argument and showing them. You might say here.. Well they could still choose not to agree. Here is where your tree argument erks me. Assuming that the person is in the same mental state as you, that they are not brainwashed, are in their full capacity, etc, then your “better” argument comes from your ability to make them touch the tree.. I could bind their eyes open and make them look at the tree.. And attach that lie detector to them to see if they actually see the tree. (Of course it could still “not exist” but I would have a better argument as you say...The proofs for the existence of God don’t work that way. Not only is there no way to prove it one way or another.. (as you agree) but there is no way to make one a better argument then the other. My issue with your view is that you claim the atheist to hold an irrational belief.. My point I have repeated many times is that since neither starting point can be shown to be better in a logical sense without assuming their conclusion. (Theism is the better argument because I find the arguments more convincing based on my own experience with what I hope is the Devine.)the rationality of the theist and atheist position can only be weighed on in their own right.. So where does this lead me? The next question you seem to ask is then if I cannot show that it is objectively better to believe then not to believe then why believe? I have tried to give you my reasons. They are not post modern. I am Not saying that they have their truth and I have mine. In the end only one thing will end up as true. I am saying that A. To use our starting points to judge the reason of an argument that does not agree with our starting point is bad reasoning and moreover doesn’t save people. (Though of course God could use it) B. That because, without assuming the conclusion neither argument for the existence of, or against, is logically better, the first moment of faith is an irrational one. I agree with people wiser then me who have spoken of faith that seeks understanding. For the initial leap into faith is not done based on reason but rather based on reason’s calculation of past experience combined with the irrational assent to something that the heart feels. C. In the end I do agree that in actuality we are right and that if we could span out time and space we could prove it by showing the resurrection. But sine we can, all we have is our faith.. And the reasoning that it springs. As such all we have is interpretation of events which we cannot return to and hope that we are right. Since all is interpretation and the past is dead in the end the irrational leap is the only edge we have. The last question you raise has to do with how this kind of talk helps my faith. “ I don’t see what doubting that the Resurrection of Christ, for instance, does for me, simply because there are atheists out there who believe that this did not happen.”I must tread lightly here... doubt is not for everyone.. As I have said. In fact logic, is not for everyone either, and of course some can handle nothing but logic. I mentioned in the last post that doubt can be detrimental to some and to others essential. All I can talk about is my own walk. I know that for me, I do not carry doubt because of what the atheist thinks. I carry doubt because I wish be honest with myself. To be humble in my walk as much as I can. To realize that in all things I can be wrong. To realize that if I am right then all the anguish which I posited earlier on in this conversation see the rumblings in the first couple of posts.)is our real, unmakeuped existence.
Sunday, August 06, 2006
My blogs from the THUMBS OUT trip
July 7, 2006 -
In TO and ready to go.
ok.. so were sleeep deprived.. so this is going to be short, incoherant, and ya..lol
The last 7 days have been a sleep deprived, beer filled, moltov of crazyness. I met this really awsome girl july 1st that was to be my partner and within a 48 hour period I got drunk with her, had my parents fall in love with her, drove 16 hours in a car (with a 90 min back track to pick up a lost wallet)with her, introduced her to my sister in New Brunswick, hitched through nova scotia, went to the keiths brewery, got drunk in Halifax.. all to finally starty the race and hitch to Vancouver.
The first day we made it all the way to edmonston with 3 rides. The last of the 3 stopped occationally to give us history lessons and visit historical sites (World's longest covered bridge, grand falls, etc) and then gave us a free hotel room for the night and gave us a bottle of cider to share.
The next day we Made it to Montreal in 1 ride.. problem was, there was only 1 seat to hold both our bags and both our bodies...after 5 hours I was feeling like a dirty sock.
Montreal was great and the beer was cheap.
Now were in TO. We actually went to much on demand for the free publicity..lolAnyway, so were off o Thunder Bay tomorrow.. wish us luck!
July 10, 2006 -
Half way and i'm not dead and only slightly bruised.
A late start due to my own blondness. We throw our belongings into the trunk of the car of our first ride just in time to feel it all crash down. Or rather for me to feel it all crash down, and by all crash down i mean the trunk lid on my head. It seems that Megan thought I had cleared the lid and had proceeded to slam it shut... problem is, I have a big head. And of course, now I have a big head with a even bigger bumb on the top of it. But all is well, it must be payback for awkwardly singing the same songs, or rather parts of songs, over and over again to keep me occupied. Im sure hearing the same wrong lyrics to the same songs over and over again is enough to make anyone want to close a trunk on someones head..hehe
lol.. anyway, we made it to Thunder bay in about 37 hours... about 8 hours later then the team before us. We were picked up by the most amazing people with the biggest hearts. Though i'm too tired to give alot of details, lets just say that my theory That Canadians are generally good people has definatly been proven true. Even though we didn't have rides going the distance every ride was one that was memerable and left us feeling like we had been truely cared for. Thanks to everyone who picked us up! On a side.. a special thanks goes to the 2 guys who were going in the opposite direction, but found us passed out in a hotel lobby in the middle of nowhere and decided to drive us 4 hours out of their way to finally get us to Thunder Bay because you felt that God had landed you at the hotel for a reason. Props to your good heart. Also thanks to the couple who bought us dinner, the couple that gave us 20 bucks, the guy who gave me beer, the truck stop guy who let us come out of the mesquito massare at 3 am to sleep in the closed dinning room for a few hours, the guy straight out of the dazed and confused movie who drove us to the truck stop to some decent tunes when we were stuck in the middle of nowhere, the police officer who drove us to the tim hortins when we thought we were getting arrested, the couple that saved us from the rain, and of course the guy that worked at the hotel that let us stay in the lobby and gave us food when he could have gotten in trouble... and to everyone else who has been awsome to us or shared stories to us.. thanks
PS... the water of Lake Superior was glorious on my feet!
See ya in the next town... Winnepeg.
July 14, 2006 - Calgary
Say hello to all them cowboys
Winnipeg was alot of fun! We took a day off to rest a little... or atleast that was what was supposed to happen...lol. Instead we made friends with people from all over the world who were staying at the hostel and shared travel stories and drinking songs over beer and rum the first night and wine and beer the second.
Our luck continues to grow! We made it to Calgary in 1st place taking us out of last place and into 4th for the last stretch of the race. Anything can happen now in that last leg, and though Megan is convinced were out of the race I think there is always hope. We made it to Calgary in 4 rides and it seems that our bad luck with truckers picking us up has finally ended. That and the fact that the only car that picked us up was driving 165 km/h the entire time we were in the car placed us 5 min ahead the 2nd team.
Our only snag I think is that spending 24 hours a day for 14 days and counting with someone, no matter how cool they might be, will definatly lead to the need for a break. The littlest things that might have been cute at one point annoy each of us about the other. I'm sure after a break we will be great friends... but right now i think that a boot to the rear is what both of us are thinking of...lol. At the sourse of some conlflict is my duties as the founder of the race combined with the internal need to make sure all teams are on the same page, taken care of, and happy. This is the source because my increased stress levels are bound to affect my own team dynamic. That and well.. when i'm on the side of the highway and tired i tend to sing songs songs i know.. but I don't really know any full songs.. so its more parts of songs.. and sang badly.. coupled with the fact that I can't sing and yet i sing often (were often really tired on this race) i understand how i can be annoying...hehe. There are things that drive me nutz about her as well... which as I said, is understandble based on the amount of time we have been together..lol.
Added to the stress is a music festival that one of us wants to attend that places us in conflict with the actual sceduale of the race. It is now both a race with the other teams and a race to make it to Vancouver before one of us has to leave.
All said and done though, my partner is a great girl and I am lucky to have her as a partner. We are alike in alot of areas and not in alot of others. Our conversational styles and the way we relate to people is definatly in the latter while our stuburness and ways we carry on about certain things are of the former. Either way, with only one leg of the race left to go and only a few days left till we part ways and till i can find a beach to sleep on and an ocean to swim in, i can honestly say that i'll miss her when shes gone.
There have been great stories.. many of which I havn't put on here and which will have to be pub talk sometime in the future. But for now I leave you with a prayer for the road.
May God prepare the road before you,
May you walk is safety and know no fear
May each stranger you meet be guided by a love for all and,
May each moment be worthy for the story.
See you in Vancouver.
July 18, 2006 - Vancouver
The living end
Done and done. So were in Vancouver and its about time.hehe. Alot of stuff has happened and we have had alot of cool rides .but i'll let megan fill that in. All the teams arrived early in Vancouver and so in order to ensure all the girls had a place to stay Rob and I spent the night on the streets of Vancouver walking, walking, walking into sketchy territory, and then deciding an all ngiht afe was the better idea. This being the case, I am on about 1 hour sleep plus a few small naps in trucks yesterday on the way here.. so ya, this is not going to to long.
Before I go i would like to address something.. but only briefly as though it must be mentioned, this is not the venue to express what has happened. Unfortunately, for those who have read other teams blogs one will find a very negative blog by one of the more dramatic teams. Though these are her opinions of what happened, and she has the right ot have them, with the exception of 1 claim, all are fact-less and disprovable. I believe that those who have met me on this trip for the first time can attest to my good intent and my trying to keep everyone on the same page and happy. Some of said that this was impossible, others said if I try to fix things I am not letting them grow, and others have said that by trying to play both sides while still trying to enjoy myself, I was headed for disaster since conflicting interests existed.
Regardless, the damage is done and the words cannot be erased. Though I can say a am hurt by what was said, I regret that any one racer would end this race on a sour note with the organizers. It is unfortunate that she has deciphered the facts in such a erroneous way and has taken a negative spin on this trip. The thought is coming forward that I was never meant to be a leader and that my days of organizing trips for friends and strangers are over. I do hope that despite her views of me and my first go at organizing something of this magnitude that she will walk away from his trip with good memories. When all else fades Im sure she will be left with the glorious tale of crossing this amazing country with nothing but luck and a smile. I know I will. The good nature and friendliness of strangers in this country has left me speechless. Forget all the free stuff we have gotten, or the rides that have gone out of their way the thing I will remember is the moment of contact. Each time a driver picked me up they were taking a chance and stepping out side of their comfort zone, Each time I took a new ride I was doing the same. The moment of contact between strangers is a moment of great interest since it represents the moment of connection or repulsion. It is the moment where you either become a person or are turned to an object. The continued tension is that after 30 some rides with the same conversation starters the object subject tension returns again until the moment when you decide to be real.. when you decide to drop your gimic and useless gabber and say something meaningful and connected to your heart. This later tension is something hard to transcend I think, but I have a feeling that on this trip each team has been able to do it. Each team has managed at one point or another to be real and to connect with people beyond the gabber and to connect with ones fellow person long enough to enlarge ones loyalties as Rorty would say. To create common feeling with ones fellow Canadian, and even beyond that, ones fellow human being. Real Justice is just this(well maybe): seeing more and more people as being part of a greater set of loyalties an dless as the other. There is SO much good in this world, so many good people, and even if some of them donĂ¢€™t like me or dont respect me, thats ok.. they are good people still the same and I have been lucky enough to know them.
Ok so I thought this was going to be short lolIm not sure if you managed to get anything out of what I just said.. its hard to makes sense of anything when so much stuff has gone one and is going on and your bed is so far away. hehe
Anyway, I hope you guys have like following us across Im sure youve gotten the hint by now that were not perfect, nor are we angels but in general I can say of al the racers even the ones I might need a break form for a while, that all the racers are good people and Ive been happy to play this game with them Blessings
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